I know the lore of the game but just can't put my finger on why Jarl Balgruuf didn't side with them. Ulfric really wants him on their side as a true nord and powerful ally. And Jarl Balgruuf Respects him. Whilst the Imperials just want him for his position of power. So can anyone clear up this confusment for me? However, he is also a pragmatist who believes that ensuring the physical safety of his subjects is his primary duty. The conflict between these two urges causes the Jarl a great deal of consternation, and he spends the first part of the game trying to make up his mind.
In response to the question "Whose side are you on? If it's the war you're referring to, I'm on the side of Whiterun. No doubt General Tullius and his friends in the Empire will tell you that I owe them my loyalty, and perhaps I do. Ulfric Stormcloak would say that I owe my allegiance to the Nord people as they fight for Skyrim's independence. Perhaps this is also true. The day might come when I am forced to draw my sword for one side or the other.
But that day has not come yet. Balgruuf: "I won't say it again, Vignar; Talos worship is forbidden. It's the Empire's law, and we're still a part of the Empire. Vignar: "A law made at the tip of an Aldmeri sword, aye. A sword stained red with Nord blood. Is this what our people fought and died for? To forsake our most beloved ancestor and divine? Balgruuf: "I'm no happier about this than you are, but I don't want the see the Thalmor rounding up people in the streets and throwing them in prison.
Balgruuf: "A convenient position to hold now. But mark my words, old man, in the days to come, Ulfric will spread his rebellion thin. And what then? We need the Empire, as much as it needs us.
We Nords are the Empire! Our blood built it. Our blood sustains it! You of all people should know that. Vignar: "If this was my Empire, I'd be able to worship whoever I damned well pleased.
You wish to see an Empire without Talos? Without its soul? We should be fighting those witch-elves, not bending knee to them. The Emperor is nothing more than a puppet of the Thalmor. Purely in the interests of the advancement of knowledge. Do not test my promise to the Dovahkiin. Most of them are hardly painful at all to a large dragon such as yourself. Even for you. What are you doing back there? Enough, fool! Whiterun Guard: "Get ready to open the trap!
This seems like a really bad idea to me. This is all part of the Dragonborn's plan. Hrongar: "Have you reconsidered my idea? I won't leave Whiterun defenseless, even for a day. The Companions can help protect the city, and the Emperor will be in our debt. We are short on guards as it is! If we lose half our men, the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild will have the run of the city.
The Stormcloaks will be the least of our worries! The answer is no, I tell you! Now stop pestering me with your war-mongering! Irileth: "Balgruuf, did you slip out again last night for a drink at the Bannered Mare?
Yes, I went out for a pint or two. What of it? You should have told me first. I won't apologize for talking to my people. You can't protect me every moment of the day. Proventus: "My lord, our provisions are running dangerously low. Our stores of meat, wine, and grain are all but depleted. That's your job as Steward, isn't it? Why do you trouble me with these details?
I'll need more coin if I'm to provision us properly. I can scarcely afford to pay the guards, and we need every one of them in these troubled times. You'll have to make do with what we have, Proventus.
Balgruuf: "I won't say it again, Vignar; Talos worship is forbidden. It's the Empire's law, and we're still a part of the Empire. A sword stained red with Nord blood. Is this what our people fought and died for? To forsake our most beloved ancestor and divine? You're either a Nord who respects our traditions, or you're not. If not, it isn't me you'll have to answer to, but the people of this city and this Hold.
Note: the preceding conversation never actually occurs during the game, as Balgruuf and Vignar never have the chance to speak of it.
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Play Sound. For other uses, see Jarl Balgruuf. No doubt General Tullius and his friends in the Empire will tell you that I owe them my loyalty, and perhaps I do. Ulfric Stormcloak would say that I owe my allegiance to the Nord people as they fight for Skyrim's independence.
Perhaps this is also true. The day might come when I am forced to draw my sword for one side or the other. But that day has not come yet. And also because he knew he could. Even now, my court wizard, Farengar, continues his research into ways we might drive back these We must also have ample reserves of water to combat the fires that will surely spread after an attack.
But our greatest weapon? For if we cannot kill the beast, we must at least have the tenacity to drive it back. Until brave heroes step forward to destroy these monsters, that is the best we can do. Alvor Or "Gerdur" if Ralof is followed instead of Hadvar. The smith, isn't he? Reliable, solid fellow. Not prone to flights of fancy And you're sure Helgen was destroyed by a dragon?
This wasn't some Stormcloak raid gone wrong? Or "Gerdur? Owns the lumber mill, if I'm not mistaken. Pillar of the community. I had a great view while the Imperials were trying to cut off my head. You're certainly But it's none of my concern who the Imperials want to execute. Especially now. What I want to know is what exactly happened at Helgen. I saw the dragon burn Helgen to the ground. About the dragon attack.
Then the dragon attacked. And last I saw it was heading this way. Was the dragon there? But there must be more to it than that. What do you know about the Dragonborn? The Greybeards really were summoning you. They live in seclusion high on the slopes of the Throat of the World. If you really are Dragonborn, they can teach you how to use your gift. The Greybeards seem to think the same thing.
It was a mighty deed. You've earned a place of honor among the heroes of Whiterun. Did something Wulfharth was Dragonborn. Talos, too - the founder of the Empire, back in the good old days. In the very oldest tales, back from when there still were dragons in Skyrim, the Dragonborn would slay dragons and steal their power.
They live up on top of the Throat of the World. If you're really Dragonborn, they'll want to talk to you. In the old stories, they always summon the Dragonborn for training. But only the Greybeards study the Way of the Voice any more.
If you can Shout I need to trap a dragon in your palace. I thought you asked me to help you trap a dragon in my palace. Persuade "I'm sorry, but I can't do it. We'll just have to keep fighting the dragons as best we can. You want me to let a dragon into the heart of my city, with the threat of war on my doorstep? The risk is too great. Alduin has returned. The World-Eater himself? Doesn't his return mean it's the end times? Now, what's this nonsense about trapping a dragon in my palace?
And I will. But I need your help first. Ulfric and General Tullius are both just waiting for me to make a wrong move. Do you think they will sit idle while a dragon is slaughtering my men and burning my city? No, I can't risk weakening the city while we are under threat of enemy attack. I'm sorry. But getting both sides to agree to a truce will be difficult at this point.
The bitterness has gone too deep. They are respected by all Nords. High Hrothgar is neutral territory. If the Greybeards were willing to host a peace council I'll talk to Arngeir about hosting a peace council. Maybe you can stop the dragons - and this war into the bargain. It's my destiny to stop him. That's good enough for me. Although I never thought to put the tale to the test. They say he Shouted it into submission in single combat atop Mount Anthor and brought it back to Whiterun.
Numinex was the dragon's name. That's his skull decorating the main hall. It's the only way to stop the dragons. Just say the word. The great chains are oiled. We wait on your word. I'll be famouser than Olaf One-Eye! Let's go trap a dragon. Make sure you do your part. I'm putting my city in your hands. The General wants to lend Legion troops. Give the papers to my Steward. For the Jarl's eyes only.
Proventus is my eyes. Just give me the letter. Play Sound. For other uses, see Battle for Whiterun. Before adding a bug to this list, consider the following: Please reload an old save to confirm if the bug is still happening. Cancel Save. Universal Conquest Wiki. We have taken the city of Whiterun. Proving the righteousness of our cause and the fierceness of our warriors. Quest complete.
It is sometimes possible for the fireballs launched from the city onto the plains to become stuck there. Waiting and fast traveling will not fix this. If Aela is married, and not following, she may be standing outside of the gate into Whiterun. She will be interactable and will have basic marriage dialogue.
Both sides of the battle will try to attack her on sight, which usually results in her death, as she will not flee or fight back. If the Jarl of Whiterun is quickly spoken to after defeating him, then he will constantly say, "Give me a few hours to gather my stuff, and I will depart.
You have my word. Fast travel to another area, then back. The dialogue will then be fixed. Waiting for about one minute will allow the quest will complete automatically. If nothing happens, attacking the Jarl again when a new guard walks in will cause a bounty 40 but the mission will continue as long as the guard witnesses the attack. When walking into Whiterun military camp, Ralof may attack without a reason. Galmor Stone-Fist and the Stormcloaks surrounding him will not attack if Ralof is attacked.
Fast travel to Whiterun Military Camp will avoid this bug. When traveling to the Stormcloak camp in Whiterun, then leaving the camp by fast-traveling, this may complete the quest instantly. When reporting back to Ulfric, he will call the Dragonborn a coward, but it does start the next quest the "Liberation of Skyrim". Whiterun will not have any changes, except that it will now be counted as a Stormcloak city.
Fast traveling to Windhelm after entering Whiterun will cause the same thing to happen, except Ulfric will not call the Dragonborn a coward. PC When reporting to Ulfric after the Battle of Whiterun, he may not give dialogue to continue the mission. Whiterun will remain destroyed and the Civil War storyline cannot be completed. This bug is caused because the Whiterun warzone is not properly unloaded. After Balgruuf's surrender, walk out of Dragonsreach and out of the city. Start walking in the direction of Riverwood; once the orange hue in the sky dissipates, it should be safe to fast travel to Windhelm and continue the quest as normal.
PC Fix This can be fixed by typing the following console commands: stopquest cwobj; startquest cwobj; getqr cwobj; Ulfric then speaks the dialogue. On rare occasion, after a guard in Dragonsreach has been killed, Galmar will start to attack the Dragonborn. This can be corrected by reloading the autosave and not killing anyone. The game will continue. If the Thieves Guild quest " The Shill Job " for Heimskr's house is triggered after "Battle for Whiterun," it cannot be completed due to roof damage and entry points blocked by debris.
The "Battle for Whiterun" scripting may not initially take effect on the city, meaning that when Whiterun is entered to force the Jarl to surrender, the guards will be standing by the gate as they do usually, the prophet will be preaching by the Shrine to Talos and the cows and other people will be running around as the fighting suddenly starts all around them. Note that attacking any guards or anyone else when this happens will count as an assault and cause a bounty.
Reloading from an earlier save should fix the problem.
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